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Malaan Tabfassh
The Flowing Penguins
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Posted - 2008.04.21 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Malaan Tabfassh on 21/04/2008 04:16:04
EFT vs BACON:
Part 1) Doing the work EFT does atm without EFT (basically):
- Study info pages on several modules.
- Compare the gained data with statistical methods.
- Set them into relation to the ships variables.
- Plot functions and compare them again with statistical methods.
- If you want to compare fittings, do this twice and repeat some methods for the gained data.
Basically EFT saves you a lot of time, but it does not interact with the client when you are playing the game. But I have to admit that it enables people not capable of doing mathematical scientific work to use the gained data ingame. But you could just ask someone doing this works for you.
Part 2) Doing the work BACON does atm without using BACON:
- Watching local all the time without interruptions longer than a few seconds.
- (With further programs which use BACON data as raw output): Write logs (either using a textfile or a piece of paper) from every player who enters and/or leaves local and adding various other info such as: time, standings, location).
Yes, it saves time too (you now don't have to watch local all the time), but further it provides you with real time data ingame and helps you to concentrate on other things when it gets hot.
In EVE you can choose when entering a hostile enviroment and start a fight. You can take severals months to study your fitting and gathering data before undocking. But once you undock you should have no help from other programs than the client. Especially not programs providing real time data that needs to be gathered from the info the client provides you.
You have to use your eyes to gather this info as you have to use your eyes to gather other infos such as: speed, transversal, location, cap, hostiles, ... . All these infos have to be sorted by your brainpart which is reponsible for incoming visual signals.
BACON helps you to reduce the workload for this brainpart as it moves some important data to the brainpart which processes incoming audio signals (parallelism).
This is unfair as you can now process the whole incoming data in less time than a person who does not use this method of parallelism.
All clients should be handled equal and with this program this is no more the case once you find yourself in an hostile enviroment.
EDIT: typo
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Malaan Tabfassh
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Posted - 2008.04.21 04:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Goumindong
But the program is public, anyone can use it.
That's not the point. Macros are public too and anyone can use them.
Originally by: Goumindong
Similarly large monitors allow you to have more of the local screen open at one time as well as organize other information better. Does this parallelism constitute and unfair advantage? Do we ban large monitors because someone else might not be able to use a smaller screen as well?
Does the monitor interact with the client or the logs in another way than CCP wants it to act? That would be a valid point in a FPS as the gamma affects the darkness of some game enviroments.
Originally by: Goumindong
You can also just ask someone to yell on TS whenever anyone enters local...
Granted, we have unemployment here. I should ask someone.
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Malaan Tabfassh
The Flowing Penguins
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Posted - 2008.04.21 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Audio cues from everywhere in the galaxy would be worthless. In order to receive accurate intel you would need someone at that computer to manually activate a VOIP program or manually input text into a chat box.
Don't worry, I'll write a program doing that work. Such a program which uses raw data BACON provides can do other nice things too, like some people in different posts also pointed out.
And don't underestimate peoples creativity, what do you think will be next? There are some great brains out there.
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Malaan Tabfassh
The Flowing Penguins
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Posted - 2008.04.21 06:20:00 -
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Getting data from BACON, processing it and let the output be handled by teamspeak or vent for example. And you don't need a player for that, Microsoft SAM does fine. The client is not affected.
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Malaan Tabfassh
The Flowing Penguins
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Posted - 2008.04.21 06:49:00 -
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In post [156] you basically said that this data is worthless and in post [162] you say now that players with eyes are more valuable doing that job.
I could ask you to elaborate this, but I won't, I'm not really interested in it. You have your opinion and I have mine and I think we won't come to a conclusion even if we post on the next 100 pages. At the end it's CCPs decision to decide about that matter, but I really hope they won't tolerate 3rd party programs like this one.
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